LTN Ealing

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  • I love it . Finally no cars rut running our streets . Cycling is so much safer , cars not driving on small road 40mph.
    I hope it will stay for ever.
    Thank you .

  • You are saying this is to reduce road traffic , and for climate change . Well cars are just using other roads and now Boston Rd and Northfield Avenue will now have more air pollution. Both roads are residential too .
    Like always I feel this is to give more people speeding tickets , as both these roads have cameras.
    Don’t know how this has made things better at all .

    • Thank you for your comments. A good deal of research has been done on such schemes and the evidence shows that traffic is not simply ‘displaced’. More people walk, cycle, use public transport or simply plan car journeys more economically (one trip for several purposes). So overall traffic IS REDUCED. This means overall air pollution, climate change and congestion are also reduced. It is hard to see why a Labour council and a Conservative government be promoting LTNs if there were no such benefits.

  • A lot of what is said here is true. But on the whole this particular scheme in W Ealing will not reduce traffic, it just moves it somewhere else. And ‘somewhere else’ is two main roads, bus routes , which are now very slow moving, causing queues, idling engines, more exhaust emissions – both greenhouse gases and pollutants – and disruption to the public transport you want people to use. I know that if i have an appointment in Ealing i need to get the bus at the end of my road 30 mins ahead to be on the safe-side. Now it looks as though I shall have to allow twice as long. Delivery vans and eg electricians etc will all have to take longer routes, and more time too, reducing their work-rate.
    I am a biologist and keen to protect the environment: this won’t work here.

    • Thank you for your comments. A good deal of research has been done on such schemes and the evidence shows that traffic is not simply ‘displaced’. More people walk, cycle, use public transport or simply plan car journeys more economically (one trip for several purposes). So overall traffic IS REDUCED. This means overall air pollution, climate change and congestion are also reduced. I’m not clear why the situation should be different here.

      • It might help if you could state the research and evidence you claim show this scheme works.

        • Also, it is nice and all that it may have worked elsewhere but each area is different from a geographical and organisational point of view.
          The last month or so has already demonstrated that the traffic has just been moved to Boston road and Northfields avenue mostly. Every car travel now takes longer (some number shows +50%) so pollution has increased significantly. Unfortunately for you pollution moves with winds and so i guarantee that the air in your house is more polluted now that a month ago.
          Furthermore, because there are no bus lane in those road, Buses are also stuck in traffic and are now unusable as well.

  • Could not disagree more. Being anti LTN & passionate about the environment are not mutually exclusive. Let’s see the councils baseline data so we can see what their aim is & can then measure the success or otherwise.

    • Thank you for your comment. I agree that one can be concerned about the environment and be anti LTN. But since cars are major contributors to air pollution and climate change and destruction of green space (building roads, car parks, out-of-town centres, etc on green space), action to reduce traffic is urgently needed. What would you propose instead of LTNs?

      It would be nice to have detailed data on every scheme but, realistically, one has to rely on evidence from schemes already implemented elsewhere. These show the LTNs reduce traffic overall.

  • What about disabled residents who can neither walk nor cycle? The CLOSURES are discriminatory.

    As example, on Friday my three-minute car trip to my GP took over 42 minutes due to displaced traffic. How is this equitable.

    • Thank you for your comment. Can I ask how you know that your delay was caused by displaced traffic? There has been a large and well publicised increase in traffic due to relaxation of lockdown and return to work.

      • Why are the council you doing a trial at a time when traffic levels are abnormal and unpredictable – terrible conditions for a fair trial since unwanted results can just be explained away like this.

        And why is Julian Bell advertising the “pro” petition (which has hardly any signatures by the way) on his twitter account.

  • Ealing used to the Queen of the Suburbs, now she’s about to be the hostage of idiots & a nightmare to live in. You’re campaigning as Friends of the Earth, and these are more dictatorial than friendly. I’ve supported FOTE for years, we have done amazing ecology work, conservation & preservation of wild spaces & species. Why aren’t you campaigning against the harmful effects of all those street lights? Each light should come on as you approach it, and fade as you pass it.
    Want cleaner air? Yes. We all do. Getting rid of wakings diesel buses & utility vehicles will help, more public transport will help.
    Holding Ealing accountable to sticking to their building plan would work.
    Why don’t you contact IBM and see how their ideas for smarter cities are so far advanced from the “ just get rid of cars”. How do you square these LTN with the huge amount of new residents going into housing that Ealing has approved – 120,000 new resident!!!! That are nearly all for single occupancy.
    Studios & 1/2 beds are not for families.
    It’s obscene. . Our front line workers need housing, and yet nearly none of these will help h them. Massive building proposed for our green sites.
    Lack of new / more public transport.
    Why aren’t you supporting more public transport? Why aren’t you making the case for green or solar roofs on new builds? Why aren’t you campaigning for building living green screens like in Milian and other cities. on the buildings that are already in Ealing? Why do you insist on being so rude about David Millican? Why aren’t you yammering about EBC & their relentless drive to deprive us of actual Open municipal land as currently happening at Gunnell? These massive high density tower blocks aren’t going to make this bourgeois tone of yours any easier to swallow. Nor does your smearing little soliloquy’s while EBC encourages out of town commuters to drive in and park in all the new cpz, whom they then vilify & call rat runners. The timing from the view of smuggins like you “no cars will solve everything” vs the reality of Northfields Ave effectively purposely blocked for 20 weeks while the necessary gas works are carried out is at best ludicrous, at worst, negligently criminal.

    • Couldn’t agree more with all you say. I presume LBE will be monitoring emissions on all the roads to which traffic has been diverted. If pollution rises in some residential roads as a result of actions which reduce it in others, is this not discriminatory.

      • Thank you for your comments. Ealing Friends of Earth has been pressing for more monitoring of air pollution and, more importantly, action to reduce it for many years. This is vital, with some 10,000 Londoners dying every year from air pollution. Unfortunately, very few of the public have taken an interest.

    • Thank you for your comments. I can reassure you that Friends of the Earth is concerned about and campaigns strongly on highly polluting diesel vehicles. It also campaigns on building on green open spaces such as Warren Farm and Gurnell. It also campaigns on climate – the biggest issue of all.

      The fact of the matter is that cars are major contributors to air pollution, climate change and loss of green space (new road, car parks, out-of town centres, etc). To address these huge problems we need to reduce traffic. LTNs are one way to do this.

  • Not very well presented at all.
    Nice dream but the reality requires an awful lot more hard work to get something workable.
    Current planters are quite silly.

    • I agree an awful lot more work is needed, not just LTNs but on traffic reduction generally. But the stakes are huge – air pollution kills 40,000 people in the UK every year and climate change is set to become the defining feature of our civilisation.

  • It is important that we all choose walking and cycling where possible, but there are many reasons why people still need to drive sometimes. The scheme has been rushed through under the guise of helping Covid-19, which is really illogical. If the agenda is to ban the motor car, this should be done through different means, and viable alternatives introduced for those who can’t walk, cycle, or take public transport because we are in the middle of a global pandemic. These closures are terrible for the surrounding roads, which by the way also have humans living on them, and are blocking all sorts of vehicles including emergency services. Pollution is rising on the routes that are in operation, and many people are being hugely inconvenienced as journey times are significantly increased. It would be one thing if we had been consulted about the changes, but these radically redefine our neighbourhood and have been pushed through with no consultation whatsoever, significantly impacting thousands of people who bought houses on a network of roads which are now dysfunctional for most vehicles. David Millican is criticised in this film, but he is actually the only councillor who is standing up for democracy. If we are to have these blocks, let it be because the majority is in favour of the scheme. The evidence so far strongly suggests that this is not the case.

    • It is correct that there has been no formal consultation on the LTN schemes. This was the plan of the (Conservative) government. However, it is important to recognise that these schemes are experimental and will be reviewed and consulted upon.

      I’m not sure why David Millican “is actually the only councillor who is standing up for democracy.” Ealing’s Labour council and the Conservative national government were democratically elected and both support LTNs.

  • Mmm… I spend most of my time where I live too but unfortunately LTNs seems to be driving more traffic my way. It’s not better for all of us. We need a different plan to cut vehicle use. Not one that just suits some.

    • Thank you for your comment. It is hard to tell whether the LTN is driving traffic your way. There has been a large and well publicised increase in road traffic due to relaxation of lockdown and return to work. So much so that the government is now urging people to use public transport.

  • Good to see a different view but it’s an impractical idealistic one and not really relevant. If this were streets choked up with traffic and commercial traffic then it would be valid but it could not be further from reality. These are very quiet areas for 90% of each day. There is no real benefit. Traffic will not be reduced because apart from deliveries and services, almost all traffic is local and for good reason.
    I cycle locally and always have and these LTNs have made cycling in my safe traditional routes hazardous, especially after dark.
    It has created blind spots, confusion over right of way, the hurriedly made planters are seeping wood preservative oil when it rains.

    But it is adding mileage to local people and local journeys. This is a commercial world and a commercial economy and people live here because of that. We have policies that are encouraging overdensification of that.

    I don’t hear anyone objecting to the environmental implications of overdense population but we are in a situation now that is a direct consequence of overdensification.

    Locally, in the last 50 years we have seen all the high pollution factories go, the coal gasworks go, diesel trains cease, a massive reduction in emissions from vehicles per 1000 , the filthy stinking river that could be smelled as far as South Ealing is cleaner with fish in it.

    But all that is happening here is pushing the problems into someone else corner. Be it manufacturing to another part of the globe or local traffic into another street.

    It’s all very well saying people can walk or cycle. But that’s what people used to do.
    Thats in an era when people had to work very long hours and 5 and a half days a week.
    Go out very early in the cold dark and wet and come home in the same for much of the year.

    Buses were plentiful then but many could not even afford the bus so it was walk of cycle.
    And the vast majority lived and worked locally.
    That is not the case anymore and with overdense residential developments with virtually no commercial space factored in anywhere in the locality of most of West London and beyond, travel for work is going to be even more of a requirement.

    The private car was welcomed by those working people as it released them from the shackles of local employment and created the options of more prosperous opportunities.

    It gave them freedom and most importantly time to have a life. Something we all no taste for granted.

    It’s been a strange time but with unusually good weather since almost the first week of the lockdown. Cycling around has been fine and it has been quiet. But this is not a utopia.

    People are going to have to work further away and far harder sooner or later.

    Making things awkward and harder and longer to do in their own districts just sends things backwards with no benefit.
    Currently traffic is diluted as being local it simply disperses to where people live or visit.
    All this is doing is concentrating and extending journey times and distances.

    As a volunteer taking patients to various locations in a single week I have seen my journey times treble, fuel use treble and time to do these things reduce, leaving several local people unattended to. I am just one of many who do this.
    I wonder of the Friends of the Earth and those who talk of this wonderful new environment would care to take up the shortfall now created and help those who cannot get about? 6 hours a week is now lost so why not volunteer ?

    • Thank you for your comments. A good deal of research has been done on such schemes and the evidence shows that traffic is not simply ‘displaced’. More people walk, cycle, use public transport or simply plan car journeys more economically (one trip for several purposes). So overall traffic IS REDUCED. This means overall air pollution, climate change and congestion are also reduced. I’m not clear why the situation should be different here.

      I’m also not clear why you say David Millican is standing up for democracy. The Labour Ealing council and the Conservative government were both democratically elected and both see the advantages of LTN, not just as response to Covid but also as part of a much bigger agenda to address air pollution, climate change and social issues. David Millican’s stance would seem to be just about getting some cheap votes.

        • There is no proposal to close all roads. Actually, no roads are being closed in LTNs. One end is being blocked off to motor traffic on a few roads.

      • You keep quoting this ‘research’ but we need hard evidence of democratic benefits for all. Living on one of the road where tariff will absolutely be displaced to there will be a very real increase in pollution. You cannot simply improve the quality of life for some at the great expense of others for 6 months with no consultation. Quoting overall traffic reduction is not a good enough argument.
        The timing for this could not have been any more stupid. We have road works going on all over the affected area. There are traffic queues down Popes Lane from South Ealing road to gunnersbury park with idling cars 16 hrs of the day. No one thought about those of us living on the roads where the cars will be displaced to. How can the effect on traffic be accurately measured in a period where traffic has been totally changed due to Covid 19? If you want to understand the real effect these street closures have, you need to do it under representative conditions, not at a period of much reduced traffic across the borough.
        This act of closing some streets at the detriment of others is totally divisory, with a very NIMBYist approach to sweeping the mess into others’ front gardens.
        There is nothing Covid 19 related about this, just a rush to spend the allocated money. If you want to improve lives, in fact save lives here and now, get some light-jumping cameras and speed cameras on the South Ealing – Popes lane junction. There was a very serious crash there only last week and light jumping happens on every change. Julian Bell needs to come and see for himself what effect he is having on the lives of those outside his ward. His Greenford voters would never stand for it and who would blame them?

  • Where is the evidence that LTNs reduce traffic? They re-route traffic into traffic jams which INCREASES pollution.

    • Thank you for your comment. I can provide you documents and references which show that traffic is reduced if you are interested. I can’t do this here as the facilities are not available on this forum but you can contact me at nic.ferriday@ntlworld.com

  • I live in this LTN and already love the scheme. The road is now quieter, cleaner and safer to cycle and run. First good night’s sleep for years as there’s no rat runners clattering over the speed bumps.
    The anti-LTN brigade are simply indignant about not being allowed to drive their car whenever and wherever they want. That’s a luxury climate change can’t allow.
    The anti LTN group also seems to attract a worrying amount of anti-maskers, people with grudges against the council and swivel-eyed UKIPers who dress up their anger issues with faux concerns for the elderly and disabled – both of whom are likely to benefit from safer streets.
    Get a grip Ealing – the hysterical reaction is embarrassing. Give it 6 months to bed in and you’ll love it too.
    Oh – and let’s stop with this specious argument that it’s bad thing traffic will be diverted into Boston Road and Northfields Road – that’s where it’s supposed to be… not taking short cuts past schools and high density residential streets. The next tier of traffic management will address that.

  • to all you who say “Isnt it lovely we live on an LTN and things are fab..”

    I live on Swyncombe Avenue and the traffic is now constant queues during rush hour and constant speeding traffic outside (being driving faster to make up the time they would have spent)..

    So whilst its “lovely” for those on a LTN itself , its very bad for people like me , and my 5yr old son, on roads like Swyncombe Ave (which isnt even a A or B road!)

    I hope they close our street too,… then we’ll see how everyone likes it

    • Thank you for your comment. It is hard to tell whether the LTN is driving traffic your way. There has been a large and well publicised increase in road traffic due to relaxation of lockdown and return to work. So much so that the government is now urging people to use public transport.

      But, yes, Friends of the Earth agrees entirely that we need to control and reduce traffic on main roads as well as side roads.

    • I have huge sympathy for you. The amount of rat running down previously quiet residential roads I had to do to take my daughter to school today.

      Also those planters are quite top heavy and the council haven’t bothered bolting them to the floor in many cases. They can easily tip especially as many have been placed on roads with a camber, leaving them dangerously leaning over the pavement.

  • LTNs are an exceptionally stupid idea that local residents do not want. All they are doing is directly affecting the local community and making the journeys that cannot be avoided – in my case, to deliver food to my 94 year old mother – take much longer, diverting the traffic and pollution into rat runs that the council have themselves created. They have nothing to do with coronavirus, and the emergency powers used to force them through are an abuse of power.

    Julian Bell should hang his head in shame.

    • This is one of the best community dialogues I have witnessed in living in Ealing on and off since 1967! How different this dialogue is to the command and control system of Ealing Council. Never explain, never apologise seems to be the approach to citizens who the Council seems to regard as the enemy!

      Well done exposurebox for creating this level playing field of views and perspectives.

  • we have inherited appalling traffic from Northfields and The Lower Boston road is packed every day now with idling traffic outside St Marks School – apparently we don’t deserve a quite Neighbourhood only Northfields does!!

  • I live on Deans Road and the LTN is a god send. It stops rat running and we no longer have to tolerate the abuse by drivers when we unload our cars on a tight road! We now have space to park also so not sure if that is directly attributable.

    I have also see the odd idiot who drives on the pavement but that’s the driver behaviour and not LTN!

    I don’t mind driving a bit longer.

    This is one which you’ll hate or love and I am in favour. Thought I’d give the other side of the argument.

  • This scheme is the best thing to happen in Ealing in the 60 years that I have lived in the Borough. I have lived at my present address in Dean’s Rd Hanwell since 1970 and have suffered the rat running of vehicles in this road and the high levels of pollution from cars coming up Montague Rd with their engines idling going through the width restriction from 3pm onwards every day. The level of anger only confirms to me just how many people were using this area as a ‘rat run’ with no consideration for the residents of these roads. I and my neighbours now have some peace and can
    actually enjoy our gardens without worrying about the pollution we were breathing. So many of the local residents have died from cancer. We can now hope for a better future for the next generation.
    I totally support these measures
    Philomena McHugh

  • I just got one of these in my local area in Sutton, and I love it. The rat-running cars have dissapeared, the cars that do still use these streets do so at a legal and safe speed. I can even sleep better because it’s just silent overnight rather than hearing the occasional driver speeding (literally) through. I haven’t noticed any detrimental effects to the local traffic on the main roads, but I’ve seen more cyclists on the local roads. I really hope this stays forever.

    Thanks for presenting this so clearly.

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